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i can not tell you how grieved i am with this generation that is before me. i cannot believe i am in the age where homosexuals are fighting for rights and i can't believe that they are getting them and people are accepting them even when God does not. But then again it is written that Satan is the God of this world, and it is written that most people will go to Hell and only a few will enter into Heaven,(Matt 7:13-14 ) i guess really it don't surprise me at all that this is happening. We are in the End Times i have spoke with many Homosexuals over the years and heard their excuses to defend their actions and they are excuses, because there is nothing in the Words of God that acknowledges sexual behavior towards the same sex, nothing in the Words of God that condones homosexuals. And every husband in the Old Testament and the New Testament all had wives. Not one example of a Christian Homosexual couple in the entire Bible, Old nor New Testaments. Not one example. Many claim that David and Jonathon we homosexual, yet there is not one example that suggests they had a sexual relationship, NOT ONE. The love David felt for Jonathon, i have felt towards others of the same sex, this does not mean, i had sex with them because i loved them dearly. There is absolutely no Scriptures whatsoever that promotes same sex relationship involving sexual activities. Could David have loved Jonathon and not have had to have sex with him ?? Yes He most certainly could have done that, and did just that. This wicked generation that is before my eyes can't relate to loving someone without having sex with them. this is not God's fault but those who think you have to have sex with someone in order to love them. A man can love another man, this is no sin. But for a man to have a sexual relationship with another man, this is abomination to God. So then where do they base their righteousness from ? What part of the Bible says that it is OK to be Homosexual ? If it is not in the Bible where did they get the idea that it is OK in the sight of God ? i will tell you, the Master Deceiver has spread this lie, telling people that it is not wrong to Love another human and it is not wrong to have a sexual relationship with the same sex, then i guess it is not wrong to have sexual relationships with family members as well, they are human, What , ? the Bible says you can't have sexual relationships with family members ? Yes it does, It also says men are not to have sexual relationships with men as men have sexual relationships with women. So the belief, it is not wrong to Love another human, is somewhat flawed. And Most homosexual so called Christians will say that verse in Romans is not referring to homosexuals. Then what does it mean?
i am a Heterosexual, i was born that way, But if i go out and have sexual relationships with the opposite sex, i will go to Hell, it is fornication. Because i was born that way does not give me the right to act on it. i was born a man in a mans body, does not mean i can go out and have sex with women. and it's O.K. because i am a man. If you are born a woman in a woman's body does not mean you can go out and have sex with men. If you are born a man in a woman's body, does not mean you can go out and have sex with men and/or women. If you are born a woman in a mans body, does not mean you can go out and have sex with men and/or women. The Word of God tells us how we are to be in relationships. And as far as i know, Nowhere in the Words of God does it say how a husband is to treat his husband, or how a wife is to treat her wife. NOWHERE. i would think if it was O.K. to be a homosexual, that God would allow instruction for them as well. But He did not. Because it is not O.K. A person who has sex with animals, would have the same argument as homosexuals. Where in the Word of God does it say that it is wrong. They will excuse or ignore those verses that many people will point out to them, which clearly says it is wrong. A person who has sex with children, has more of a fight than both those who are homosexuals and those who do bestiality, Because where is it written That an adult can't have sex with a child? Does it make it O.K. for adults to have sex with children? i say NO it is not O.K.. But as you would say, prove it's not O.K. The Bible specifically draws a line. But because of man's pleasure they will go over the line. and claim it is O.K. It would not surprise me in the slightest in the future that people will be allowed to marry their pets. And when enough people come out of the closet, they will demand Rights as well, and they will also claim to be Christians, They will claim i was born that way, i have always been attracted to animals. They will have the same fight as Homosexuals fight. To try to convince people that it's O.K and that it is not wrong. and then even the Homosexuals will tell them it is wrong to have sex with animals, and those who have sex with animals will say to them, you say those things because you have a phobia of beastiality and do not understand, just as people who are Homosexuals today say to those who try to tell them it is wrong. i assure you, that God created the anus to rid the body of waste products,This is evident in nature as well, and He created the tongue so that we may be able to taste and speak clearly. But men and women alike have taken these parts and used them so that they might receive pleasure for themselves. Woe unto these people, for they are lovers of pleasure more than lovers of God. (II Tim 3:1-7 ) Then there are those who try to have their cake and eat it too, by saying I am a Gay Christian and thats alright. ( It doesn't matter what the Bible says, I say its alright because God made me this way ) Of a Truth, If you do not cease from you wicked ways, you will not enter into the Kingdom of God. i have told you the Truth. i did not say this to upset anyone, or to anger anyone, but it's because i love you and want to see you in Heaven that i tell you. If i did not care for you, i would have said nothing. So come Judgment day when you stand in front of Christ saying" I did not know it was wrong, I did not know it was evil" Christ will say to you. " How many people did I send to you, to tell you it was wrong and you would not listen, but instead defended your actions, because you refused to give up that pleasure for My sake" i find it strange, If God did intend for men to be with men sexually, why do the men not self lubricate, as the women do when they are prepared to have intercourse with a man? If everyone in the world were to go to men with men, and women with women, There would be no children created by couple's does this seem righteous. i would think not. Many Homosexuals will say show me in the Word of God where it is wrong. (ignoring the obvious verses of course). However Homosexuals can't find one verse which states it is alright. 1) Nowhere does it state a man being with a man sexually (except the verses which say it is wrong) 2) Nowhere does it state a woman with a woman sexually 3) Every couple, (EVERY) was a man and a woman, whether it was marriage, fornication, or adultery 4) The Bible gives guidelines for how a husband treats his wife 5) The Bible gives guidelines for how a wife treats the husband 6) Nowhere does it give guidelines for how a husband is to treat a husband 7) Nowhere does it give guidelines for how a wife is to treat her wife. 8) The Bible gives guidelines for a divorce between husband and wife. 9) Nowhere does the Bible give guidlines for a divorce between a husband and husband or a wife a wife 10) We know that when a man and a woman are joined they become one, where is it mentioned if a man and a man, or a woman with a woman, are joined they also become one ? The Answer is : NOWHERE in the Bible 11) There are no guidelines for homosexuals to get a divorce. ( Did God forget to write them? ) ( Is God forgetful? ) God is all knowing, He knew what would be happening in today's age with homosexuality. If then God knew there would be an outburst concerning this subject, Why did He not say then it was O.K. to be homosexual, You are saying, Why didn't He say it was Wrong. He did, you just refuse to believe the verses which says so, and that is not His fault, but yours. There is too much evidence in the Word of God which anyone could see, that points to the fact God did not intend for men to be with men, and women to be with women, Now i ask what purpose would God have for a man to be with a man? or a woman to be with a woman? Nothing comes of it, nothing is created, no life can be created. God ONLY gave us guidelines between a man and a woman, and there is a reason for that, because that is the ONLY Righteous way. there is no other way, no matter what you try to say, the Bible is clear. Unless you remain single, this would be righteous also. It all boils down to this, If Homosexuality is O,K. with God, He forgot to put quite a bit of information in His Word covering this subject. And truthfully i don't think God would have made such a huge mistake, He's God, He don't make mistakes, But were human, And we do, like homosexuals saying that it is O.K. to be a gay Christian, Where are they getting their information, because i assure you, they did not get it from the Words of God, if then they did not get it from the Words of God that it was O.k. to practice homosexual acts? Of course none other then men themselves, leave it to the man to follow Satan and his ways and say that it is love and not Satan. i will tell you the Truth, i believe it is possible for a man to love a man, and a woman to love a woman, this is not sin, but you do not need to have sexual intercourse to do so. sexual intercourse between a man and a man, or a woman and a woman is not a requirement to love that person. The act of intercourse is not, i repeat is not, required to love someone whether male or female. i know that most of you say " But I love Him" or " I love Her and want to give pleasure to him/her. How can it be wrong to want to give pleasure to him/her." If a person truly loves his/her pet and truly want to give their pet pleasure sexually, is that also not wrong? they want to give pleasure, is that not love. Yes it is wrong and i will also add if a woman gives sexual pleasure to a man and they are not married, they are as equally wrong, likewise if the man desires to give pleasure to a woman, and they are not married is also as equally wrong. The Bible gives guideline on how a Husband and a Wife are to live, Everything sexually oriented other then Husband and Wife is sin, and not worthy of Heaven. And i am truly sorry, But i believe in the Words of God. It is written:
It says the woman was created for the man, not " A woman was created for a woman" nor " A man was created for a man ". It says plainly with no interpretation needed, The woman was created for the man. And i am sorry to upset the women who might be reading this but the truth is the truth, The natural use of a woman is to be a help mate to the man and to bear children and in order to do that it requires the man have sexual intercourse with the woman.
Why is it there is no comment about how the husband is to treat the husband, or the wife to the wife, It says a woman's desires shall be to her husband and he shall rule over her, This is also in the New Testament. But it does not say a woman's desire shall be to a woman.
Because of this verse, many Homosexuals, regrettably will not enter into the Kingdom of Heaven, unless they change thier ways. and Repent, i beg you, even crying, that you will listen and not turn your ear. Please stop. remain single if you must, Don't take the chance if you are right, or if you are wrong, it is not worth the chance of going to Hell, So i beg you, please repent and cease from all activity that might be deemed sinful. please. i know you try very Hard to defend your homosexual activities so People will approve, But if the Word of God does not say it is O.k. then don't do it. i am trying to save your soul, Do you think Satan is sending so many people to you, telling you it is wrong, or in fact isn't it God sending you so many people to try to tell you it is wrong. And because you are not willing to give it up, you are willing to take the chance of not going to Heaven. How hard would it be to give it up ?, To know for a fact that you are going to Heaven, even according to the Word of God, you will know for a fact, you are going to Heaven. As of right now The Word of God does not support men with men, or women with women.
First who is He talking to a male or female? If female, He just told a female thou shalt not lie with mankind. well that cannot be right, it is not Biblical at all. So this verse was directed to a man, He told the man thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind, This is plain out saying man shall not have sex with men as he does with women, Where is the confusion here, how in the world did Satan get people to claim it is O.K. There is no need to interpret what that verse says, of course if you disagree with it, then you and everyone else who disagree with it will try to come up with a different meaning for that verse in order to make it alright to be homosexual.
With all truthfulness there are a lot of foolish people in this world. The above verse says to avoid fornication ( sex before being married) to avoid it, what are we to do? let every (all, not some, but all)every man have his own wife ( not husband, but wife, female ) and let every (all, not some, but all)every woman have her own husband ( not wife, but husband, male) The whole chapter of I Corinthians talks of the man and the woman being,.......... I'm not even going to go on with this, i can't believe that most of the whole world was struck stupid when it comes to Homosexual practices. We might as well throw the Bible in the trash, for what it says doesn't mean squat to this wicked and perverse generation. It is only common sense that a man and a woman are to be together, and now people, not God are saying oh, men can be with men, women can be with women, Yes lets have sex with everything and everybody, because i just want to love you, and love is of God, and How can it be wrong to Love another human being ? Woe to this wicked and perverse generation, for you have made the Word of God out to be full of lie's with your righteousness and not God's, How will you escape the Tribulations, the wrath of God? And God said, " Let a man have a wife, and let the woman have a husband " There is no other way, except to be single, celebate, or a virgin. So go and live your homosexual life, just as you have been, making excuses for your actions, claiming you are doing nothing evil, based on your beliefs and not based on what the Word of God says. If you have read this chapter, then you also know the Truth from God, and you have been warned, If you do not cease from Homosexual activities and Repent, you will not enter into the Kingdom of God. i say this, not because i hate you, but because i Love you, and want you to enter into the Kingdom of God with me, If i did not Love you, then i would have said nothing and just let you burn in the Lake of Fire and Brimstone in your ignorance. But, i have told you the Truth, so that you may believe, and accept the Truth, and Repent and cease from such activities that you may live for enternity in the Kingdom of Heaven. i have told you, what God has told me to tell you, what you do with the Truth now is up to you, my hands are clean, i have not failed to tell you the Truth. and i will pray that you accept it and believe it, but not believe it because i DiscipleDave says it is true, but because the Words of God say it is True. If a person does good, no one comes up to that person and says you are doing wrong. But if a person does evil, God will send many to that person to tell that person they are wrong. How many Good people have told you it was wrong to be homosexual ? i do not know you at all, but i know God, and i know that many have told you it was wrong, Why then do you not believe ? Because you are not willing to give up the pleasures that you recieve from such activities. It is far easier to believe it is OK then to believe you must stop such behavior. But those who do stop, will have life in Heaven for all eternity. Those who do not cease from such activities, will not. My prayer is that all who hear this Truth, will cease from such activities, this is my prayer, my love, and hope for you. Letter One: Question: Can a person be a homosexual and be Saved Anyone can be saved, if they Truly have a repentent
heart and
follow Christ.
Can a person be a homosexual and be Saved, most certainly. Scriptures
does
not condemn homosexuals nor does it condemn heterosexuals, Scriptures
condemn
having sexual relationships of any kind outside of marriage. It is not
a
sin for a man to be attracted to a man, nor a woman attracted to a
woman,
just as it is not a sin for man to be attracted to a woman, nor a woman
to
a man. it is a sin to act upon such thing by having sexual
relationships
outside what the Scriptures define as Godly. It is a Godly relationship
for
a man and a woman whom are married to have a sexual relationship, it is
not
Godly for same sex relationship to have sexual relations. But it is not
a
sin to be homosexual, but is a sin to act upon it, just as it is not a
sin
to be heterosexul, but is a sin to act upon it not being married. Letter Two: someone writes: >>> but my question is why are you so concerned about homosexuals.. i see alot of straight "people" talking about homosexuals and how they are going to die and go to hell. but just as much as the homosexuals will go to hell the straight people will to. they do as much evil, abominating things as gays. <<< DiscipleDave replied >>> According to the title of the email that you sent me, you title it " YOUR page about homosexuality " if then it is a page about Homosexuality then that would be the main topic of that page. There are many chapters that discuss other things as well, the page on homosexuality discusses just that. i teach against all sins that are knowingly and willingly committed regardless of sexuality or race, or anything else for that matter. and other pages that i have on the web clearly teaches that. However if you read a page about homosexuality it will in all likelihood be about homosexuals. <<< somone writes: >>> and i know your not on my side but what if you were born and as you grew older you only thought about males as you do of females and even thought that's not how you want it to be but there is not kind of attraction towards females... its jus the same..for example JUST TO SAY being STRAIGHT WAS THE WRONG TO DO but SO YOU KEPT IT TO YOURSELF AND no matter how hard you try YOU COULDNT be atracted to a MALE? EVEN THOUGH IT WUS THE RIGHT THING TO DO... CORRECT.. this is true for you now hopefully. ..and for myself its not about doing the wrong thing... sometimes i think GOD gave me the gift of understanding both sides of females and males of this SO I COULD WORK MYSELF OUT. maybe as a blessing.. <<< DiscipleDave replies >>> OK let us understand one thing first. that attraction of any kind is Carnal, worldly. What my eyes can physically see is carnal and earthly. Love one feels for another is not based on attraction. In the days of Christ and many years before that, attraction to the spouse was irrelevent. Parents decided who their sons and daughters would marry. Only much later in time has satan used attraction as a tool to misguide people. ATTRACTION is so overrated it is pathetic. You love the person, not because you are attracted to them, but because you see the inside of that person, not the exterior of that person. Attraction is often mistaken for love. we would be better off not to judge anything based on attraction. So you see it is irrelelevent to me who one is attracted too, For i know that attraction is not a spiritual matter. attraction is the lust of the eyes. Those who are spiritually enlightened would just as well desire to be blind because of the carnallity of the eyes. A man born blind, never attracted to anyone by sight, is neither attracted to women, nor to men, because that person has never seen them nor how they look. People are far to wrapped up in how people look and who they are attracted too, they fail to see the person from the inside. Attraction is superficial. A man marries an ugly woman, not because of how she looks, but marries her because he loves her for who she is, she is kind, sweet, caring, compassionate, gracious, a virtuous woman. Has nothing to do with LOOKS. Only people of the end of days, worry about such things as attraction and how someone looks. Attraction is not even a Biblical matter. For it is not a sin for a man to be attracted to a man, nor a woman to a woman, just as it is not a sin for a man to be attracted to a woman, nor a woman to a man. Attraction has never been the issue ( However it is an issue with humans ) Now a man having a sexual relationship with another man ( regardless of attraction or no attraction ) is a sin against God. A woman having a sexual relationship with another woman ( regardless of attraction or no attraction ) is a sin against God. A man having a sexual relationship with another woman ( regardless of attraction or no attraction ) is a sin against God if they are not married. So you see attraction or who a person is attracted to, is irrelevant, not important, not the issue. Only humans make it an issue to justify their actions. as if to say, if i am attracted to the same sex, it must be OK to have sexual relationships with the same sex. But the Truth of the matter is this. Attraction has nothing to do with it, attraction is a human concept, not a Godly one. A newborn baby, is not attracted to anyone, for they know not what attraction is, nor have they ever seen a female or a male before. Again Attraction is overrated, and far too many people put their emphasis on attraction, making excuses for their actions based on who they are attracted too. <<<< someone writes: >>> i still like females very much, they are very beautiful and i think they are a gift from god to man <<< Is that why you like females because they are very
beautiful
to the eyes
? :( Letter Three Jzbl says >>> dear Disciple Dave. Thank-you for replying to my rather nasty e-mail. I am very sorry if I offended you or your beliefs.<<< DiscipleDave replied >>> Forgiven, and i ask you to forgive me, if at any time you thought i was talking about you personally and not the act of homosexual practices. <<< Jzbl says >>> It is just that as you have your strong beliefs I too have my own convictions. Everyone must have their beliefs respected and that includes "queers" and the "God Squad" alike. So the devil may be pleased with my liberal views on homosexuality. But if there is a God, and I do think that somewhere there must be someone who created us all, I am sure he would not be pleased by your policy of hate. "Love thy neighbour" and "he without sin cast the first stone" are these not popular phrases from the Bible? <<<< DiscipleDave replied >>> First off i would like to point out that you once said you do not believe there is a God, yet in the above statement you say you do, If then you do believe there is a God then there is yet hope for you. You say that i have a policy of hate, Could you please tell me why you believe this to be True. For you see i get much hate mail from homosexuals saying nasty, mean things to me, and attacking me personally, even you yourself admitted above that you sent me a rather nasty email. i have never, nor ever will attack someone personally, that is to say attack their character or say anything mean about them or to them. However i will discuss the act of homosexual activities, regardless who the person is. What i teach is not against the person, but against the act of having a same sex relationship, which i know is against God. This has nothing to do with the person par say, but the act. i do not have a policy of hate against any person, nor do i hate anyone, matters of fact i cannot remember ever hating anyone, even in school when a bully would hit me, i would say " i forgive you ". So then in all my teaching it is never against the person, only the deed. Jzbl says >>>I am a nice, good person, I would never do harm to another person- so I don't spend all day praying, but I'm sure the good in me outweighs the evil and I won't burn in hell. <<< DiscipleDave replied >>> There is this person who gives every week to charity, this person goes to the hospitals and visits people she does not even know, this person started a homeless shelter right in their home, This person sends food and clothing to foreign countries, this person sings in a choir at the local church, this person is loved by all. This person killed a person in cold blood. and is sentenced to life in prison. So then in some cases no matter how much good you do, it is because of the evil that you have done that you will have to pay for. This person did everything good except one bad thing, and now this person is doing life in prison. Adam and Eve commit one sin and they are cast out of the Garden of Eden, i guess the good they did didn't matter at all. Moses because of one sin, did not get to enter into the promise land at all. David because of his one sin, lost a child, and was told all his kids would pay for his sin. Clearly, { the good out weighing the bad is not a biblical teaching }A person who rapes children could have the same argument, as long as they do more good then how many times they rape a child, they will also get to go to Heaven because their good out weighs their bad, and they also will not go to Hell. Matters of fact what person on this planet would not say and think that they do more good then bad ? It all comes down to this, those who Truly want to go to Heaven, will seek out how they can go there. Those who really do not care are those who do not seek out how they can go there, then there are those who just think they are going to Heaven, without doing anything or sacrificing anything but believe because they do more good then bad they are going to Heaven. This belief is so flawed in so many ways it is unreal. Who determines what is good or what is bad. can one bad thing be equal to many good things. does one good thing out weigh 5 bad things ? Where is the guidelines that one may live by to determine good things verses bad things. For example there are those who do not feel it is a bad thing to steal because they live in the ghetto and that is common practice. Where then is the line drawn, where is the instructions what out weighs what, how many good things equal bad things, how many good things must a person do in order to out weigh one bad thing. As you can see this thinking is flawed in so many countless ways it is unreal. The Words of God tells us what is good and what is bad, it is instructions on how a person can get to Heaven. It is my love for lost souls, that i try with all my heart to get people to live by what the Words of God say and teach, and because i do this, it is said of me, i teach hate. How can it be hate if i am trying to teach people to do what the Words of God say to do ? This is not hate, but is love for people. So you may go on and believe that what i teach is hate, because it makes you feel better to believe this, so you do not have to think it is because i care about you. You see it is easier to believe it is hate, so you do not have to believe it. But know this, i hate nobody, and it is because i love you, that i have even spent this much time writing to you, trying to convince you of the Truth that what the Words of God teach is True. it only stands to reason if what i teach is hate, i would say something hateful and move on, or i would not reply at all, because i hate you. Yet i have replied to you, because i love you and desire for you to come to the Truth, so maybe one day i will see you in Heaven. Tell me something if you will. Hypothetically speaking: if you knew for a fact that eating hot dogs will cause you not to go to Heaven. Lets just say for a moment, that you knew full well if you eat hot dogs you will not go to Heaven. And you saw your sister or brother eating a hot dog, Would you say something to them or not ????? i would think you would say something to them if you loved them and desired them to go to Heaven, would you not? Therefore you say something to them, and they say " you teach hate, because you do not like hot dogs " They do not believe you, and they say you only said that about hot dogs because you hate, or do not understand, or secretly desire to eat hot dogs yourself " They say all manner of things against you, only because you are trying to warn them about eating hot dogs, Therefore trying to help people not go to Hell and burn for eternity, is love, and not hate. i know with all my heart that men having sex with men, or women having sex with women is against God, and if people continue to practice such things they will not go to Heaven, therefore it is because i truly desire for everyone to go to Heaven, i will not stand idle by, and say nothing to those who practice such things that will not allow them into Heaven. i do not hate them, but love them, that is the only reason i try to show them the error of their ways, so that they may open their eyes and believe the Truth and save their souls from Hell. Again, i know without any doubts whatsoever, that a man having intercourse with a man is an abomination to God which made man and woman, male and female, husband and wife. Therefore when i, through love try to warn those who do such things, they say all manner of evil against me, and say that i have a doctrine of hate" Here is the Truth. those who practice homosexual activities ( remember this is nothing about you, nor about your character, or the person reading this right now, only talking about the deed ) those who practice homosexual activities will not enter into Heaven, unless they cease from such deeds. Do i say this to upset anyone, God forbid NO, i say this in hopes that someone will read it, and say i need to stop, so i can go to Heaven. But most do not think that, they are not willing to give up such pleasures, instead they are willing to excuse their actions and say that i teach hate, when it is not hate at all, be careful about calling those things which are good, evil. because blaspheme of the Holy Ghost is not forgiven unto humans. Well i can write much more in an attempt to try to tell you that it is not hate, But God knows that what i teach is not of hate, but an attempt to get people to cease from wickedness, no matter what that wickedness may be. God knows that i do it because i love them, and this is all that matters to me, that God knows. <<< |